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Okay, another question for you all:

Posted by frankenspam on 2006.04.26 at 19:54
Current Mood: sleepysleepy
Because I'm bored and have a cold that is absolutely kicking my ass, I've decided to pose you all another question: What's the worst Mary Sue you've ever written? Give details, now.

I created Professor Doors, whom redcoast was kind enough to sporkify for me, but she's not actually the worst Sue I've ever perpetrated. When I was twelve, I started writing a story about a girl name Jary, who was of course twelve as well. She lived in the mountains with her family, developed magical powers (this was before HP, so at least I didn't nick it from that), got brain cancer, and ultimately saved the world. Fortunately, the story I created her for is no longer extant--it died a welcome death with my old computer--but believe me, she was absolutely horrific.

So what's your worst? Fess up--confession is good for the soul. ^_^

:P cat

Question for Everyone....

Posted by frankenspam on 2006.04.08 at 22:03
Current Mood: tiredtired
Current Music: Alannah Myles - Song Instead of a Kiss
I was scrolling through deleterius today, as usual, and having waded through what seems like tons and tons of badfic, I started wondering. What possesses a person to write a Sue? There must be an impetus, but whether it's a commonly-held urge, or whether each writer perpetrates a Sue for a different reason, I'm not sure.

I myself have written a Sue, and because I'm a recovered enough Suethor to admit it, I asked that it be sporked (redcoast kindly did it for me). She asked me what I was thinking, when I wrote the Sue, and my response was, "I wasn't." Which is pretty true--at that point in my life, I was working full-blast on an original novel, and my fanfiction was a way for me to let off steam. It didn't have to be professional-quality writing, with professional-quality characters--I could do whatever the hell I wanted with it, and if people didn't like it, well...it wasn't like anybody was going to make me edit the damn stuff. I was just fucking around, playing with ideas as they came into my head, without stopping to really think about what I was doing. For me, that was the beauty of fanfic--it was all the fun of writing, without any of the writer's responsibility.

But what drives these other Sues? Mine was fairly unusual, in that I didn't create her for any specific purpose, i.e. to be somebody's love interest/enemy/sock puppet. Why do Suethors feel the need to come up with these utterly obnoxious characters, that it's patently obvious nobody but the author could like?

I probably would have stopped perpetrating my Sueage much sooner, but for the fact that a lot of people liked my Sue. People did frigging fan art of my Sue, and she won several original character awards, and looking at it now from the viewpoint of an adult writer, I'm sitting here going what the hell was wrong with all these people? She's obnoxious, as anybody with half a brain can see, yet she was rather popular in fanon for several years. Do people who write Sues also like them when other people make them? Is there some scary Sue secret society out there, that recruits authors and sends them to praise other Sues? I just don't get it. Reading my old stuff now, I'm appalled that it ever came out of my brain, but I'm even more appalled that it got good reviews. There must be some kind of selective blindness among certain fan fiction readers (and writers), or this kind of thing wouldn't happen.

But yeah. I'm off-subject, probably because I'm extraordinarily tired. I know why I did it, but why did/does everyone else? What drives the creation of the Sue? And, perhaps more importantly, how do we get rid of it, aside from gaining experience as writers? The world could certainly use an answer.



your point?

Suethor community

Posted by redcoast on 2006.04.04 at 12:15
Heeeeee: sue_confession

I wonder if this is for Catholic Suethors only.

your point?
Posted by redcoast on 2006.03.27 at 18:30
I feel the writer of this is in Stage 1: Denial.

In Defense of Mary Sue.

your point?

Character chart.

Posted by redcoast on 2006.03.27 at 18:25
I used to use this character chart to help me keep track of my character's traits, but I don't like it anymore. Too many questions, or too few. So I wrote my own. (X-post from my journal)

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Denethor /Finduilas, magic 8 palantir, Havelock Hurin

Thought you might be interested:

Posted by b2wm on 2006.03.26 at 18:33
The Path of the Fanfic Author, or Warg's own experience as a Suethor.

Interesting idea for a community, though I don't know how much meta you're looking for and how similar you're getting to marysuesos.

your point?

12-step program to recovery

Posted by redcoast on 2006.03.26 at 13:49
1. We admitted that we have written horrible Mary Sue characters, and committed other great sins of fiction, both original and fanfic.
2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves--the power of betas--could restore our writings to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our prose, our plots, and our characters over to the care of betas.
4. Made a searching and fearless critical inventory of our writing.
5. Admitted to our betas, to ourselves, and to the Internets the exact nature of our wrongdoings.
6. Were entirely ready to have our betas remove all these defects of prose, plot, and character.
7. Humbly asked our beta to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all people we had ticked off by being overly defensive and flame-y online, and became willing to email them and apologize.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would be ridiculous or if the person is really, really unreasonable.
10. Continued to take inventory of our writings and when our mistakes are pointed out to us by over-zealous canon- or grammar-nazis, instead of throwing a temper-tantrum, promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through research and practice to improve our communication with our betas, and our readers, hoping only for concrit-filled reviews, and the power to revise accordingly.
12. Having had an intellectual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to Suethors everywhere, and to practice these principles in all our writings.

your point?

The 5 Stages of Being Outed as a Suethor

Posted by redcoast on 2006.03.26 at 13:24
1. DENIAL --- I don't write Mary Sues! My character isn't a Mary Sue, she has flaws/isn't perfect/chews her nails! People love her! Okay, she scored 50,000 on the Litmus test, that doesn't prove anything. Plenty of great characters have scored really high on those tests. Bono from U2 made an 80! He's not a Sue!/It's fanfiction, I can do as I want!
2. ANGER --- Everyone who criticizes my stories are a bunch of flamers and trolls! They're just jealous! They just want the vindictive pleasure of putting down somebody's work. These so-called canon-nazis are just big fish in little ponds/Get a life/It's fanfiction, I can do as I want!
3. BARGAINING --- (The truth of the matter begins to sink in) Well, maybe if I revise the chapter, it'll be better. Will you be happy then? I took out the stuff about my Mary Sue's color-changing eyes and empath power, maybe that'll do it. What if I ask to be sporked? Will that fix it?
4. DEPRESSION --- Oh, God. I'm a terrible, horrible writer. Nobody likes my stories. All those positive reviews were just from brain-dead people or liers. I can't take this concrit. It's crushed my creative soul! I'm deleting my FF.net account and I'll never write again. (I think I'll join a cutter's community and write a poem about my suffering.)
5. ACCEPTANCE --- Ok. I wrote a terrible Mary Sue. Well, it's time I move on. Some people liked the story, some didn't. I think I'll go write some Hagrid/Snape slash.

Of course, not everyone goes through these stages in this order, or necessarily goes through all the stages at all.